Reddit Readers Verdict on the 12 Prime Ministers of Israel


Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something.

I used these words of Plato to introduce a series of selected quotations from Israel’s Prime Ministers, which I posted on Reddit. Now that these articles are concluded I thought it might be of interest to see how Reddit readers reacted, and to measure the degree of interest in each of the Prime Ministers, and their words of wit or wisdom, according to the page clicks.

The table is published below, together with a selected quote from each of them.

David Ben Gurion ( 1948-1954 and 1955-1963).

” What matters is not what the goyim say, but what the Jews do.”

Moshe Sharett (1954-1955)

” The state of Israel must, from time to time,prove clearly that it is strong, and able to use force, in a devastating and highly effective way. If it does not prove this, it will be swallowed up,and perhaps wiped off the face of the earth.”

Levi Eshkol (1963-1969)

” I know I promised, but I never promised to keep my promise.”

Golda Meir (1969-1974)

” There was no such thing as the Palestinians.”   

Yitzhak Rabin(1974-1977 and 1992 -1995)

” ( The demonstrators…) can go and spin like propellers…” 

Menachem Begin (1977-1983)

” Israel will not transfer Judea, Samaria and the Gaza district to any foreign sovereign authority.” 

Itzhak Shamir (1983-1984 and 1986-1992)

” The Arabs are the same Arabs, the sea is the same sea.”

Shimon Peres (1995-1996)

” Peace is like making love. You can’t enjoy either without closing your eyes a little bit.”      

Benjamin Netanyahu (1996-1999 and 2009 to today) “

” Sharon gave and gave. The Palestinians got and got. What did we get? Nothing and nothing and nothing.”

Ehud Barak (1999-2001)

” Maybe I made a few or, maybe, many tactical mistakes…….” 

Ariel Sharon ( 2001-2006)

” Things you see from here, you don’t see from there”

Ehud Olmert (2006-2009)

” The President of Iran… is a heinous anti-Semitic phenomenon. We must prevent Iran from reaching a technical know-how…and the international community has the tools to deal with this.”

And the winner is……………

David Ben-Gurion     20.6%

Followed by:

Golda Meir                  19.8%

Ariel Sharon                16.4%

Shimon Peres               8.9%

Itzhak Shamir              7.7%

Itzhak Rabin                 7.3%

Menachem Begin          5.1%

Ehud Olmert                  4.3%

Benjamin Netanyahu     3.7%

Moshe Sharett                 2.9%  

Levi Eshkol                      2.5%

And – winner of the wooden spoon:

Ehud Barak                        1.2%

I am not sure that any definite conclusions can be drawn from this slightly unscientific survey, but Reddit readers who voted might like to offer explanations.

Whilst Ehud Barak’s showing might be considered, by some, to be self-explanatory, how to explain Ben-Gurion and Golda garnering 40% of the total vote between them?

Waiting for your contributions

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Reference

http://andyboy1.com/2011/11/17/the-12-prime-ministers-of-israel-their-wit-and-wisdom/


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Moshe Sharett – In His Own Words


Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something.

(Plato)

In the 63 years since its Independence, Israel has had 12 different Prime Ministers. Four of them, including the present incumbent, served 2 terms. History will judge success or failure according to their actions. But there is another way in which they will be remembered. Their words of wit or wisdom.  Were they so memorable as to be ingrained forever in the minds of men?  (Just an expression – women included, of course).

To view selected quotations from all 12 Prime Ministers click on this link:

http://andyboy1.com/2011/11/17/the-12-prime-ministers-of-israel-their-wit-and-wisdom/

Here is one example to whet your appetite.
Moshe Sharett (1954-1955)
Moshe Sharett, then head of the Jewish Agency'...

Moshe Sharett

He served a very short-term as Prime Minister, and would be almost unknown to the present generations of Israelis, were it not for the fact that most of them see his face every day – on the front of the 20 Shekel banknote! Whether they all recognise him is another matter.

He is said to have associated with Arabs in his youth, and spoke fluent Arabic. Whether that gave him a different perspective or not is difficult to decide from his public utterances.

Perhaps it influenced his view of Moroccan Jews ( last quote).

Selected Quotations

” I have learned that the state of Israel cannot be ruled in our generation without deceit and adventurism. These are historical facts that cannot be altered.”

” The state of Israel must, from time to time,prove clearly that it is strong, and able to use force, in a devastating and highly effective way. If it does not prove this, it will be swallowed up,and perhaps wiped off the face of the earth.”

” What is our vision on this earth – war to the end of all generations and life by the sword?”

“When the Jewish state is established – it is very possible that the result will be transfer of Arabs.”

I imagine that the intention is to get rid of them. The interests of security demand that we get rid of them.”

Once the return tide starts, it will be impossible to stem it, and it will prove our undoing.

As for the long-term future: I am prepared to see in this a vision, not a mystical way but in a realistic way, of a population exchange on a much more important scale and including larger territories.”

Fear is the main factor in Arab politics… There is no Arab who is not harmed by Jews’ entry into Palestine.”

We are very anxious to bring the Jews of Morocco over and we are doing all we can to achieve this. But we cannot count on the Jews of Morocco alone to build the country, because they have not been educated for this.”

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http://www.searchquotes.com/quotes/author/Moshe_Sharett/2/

Levi Eshkol – In His Own Words


Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something.

(Plato)

In the 63 years since its IndependenceIsrael has had 12 different Prime Ministers. Four of them, including the present incumbent, served 2 terms. History will judge success or failure according to their actions. But there is another way in which they will be remembered. Their words of wit or wisdom.  Were they so memorable as to be ingrained forever in the minds of men?  (Just an expression – women included, of course).

To view selected quotations from all 12 Prime Ministers click on this link:

http://andyboy1.com/2011/11/17/the-12-prime-ministers-of-israel-their-wit-and-wisdom/

Here is one example to whet your appetite.

Levi Eshkol ( 1963-1969)

עברית: פגישת ראש עיריית רחובות ורעיות ניצה עם ...

Eshkol and a much younger Shimon Peres

His term included the momentous years leading up to the 6 Day War and its aftermath. However, it seems that his public utterances were very limited. The only quotation cited in most sites is the first one; I think the last one is the most revealing.

In Israel his most famous saying, which is often quoted but may well be apochryphal, is:

” I know I promised, but I never promised to keep my promise.”

This was reputedly in relation to some political deal.

In reality, Eshkol pursued a very tough line with the Arabs and was a serious proponent of their expulsion, which he viewed simply as an exchange of populations.

Selected Quotations

” Put 3 Zionists in a room and they will form 4 political parties.”

” OK.OK – but what if intelligence is wrong?”  (1)

” The notepad is open and the hand is writing.” (2)

” We must show the Arabs that the Jews are not just standing here and bleating.” (3)

Today I am guided by two guidelines – security and demography.” (4)

We have nothing to give and nothing to concede.”(5)

Now I’m going to show my cards. First, I don’t know what I want. Second, I would like to do something.” (6)

I want them all to go, even if they go to the moon.”(7)

Explanations

1. Refers to Arab military preparedness.

2.Regarding reprisals for terrorist bombings.

3. General outlook.

4. On negotiation about what to do with Arab refugees.

5. Told to Jean-Paul Sartre just prior to the 6 day war.

6. Discussing how to respond to UN approaches on the refugee issue.

7. Refers to Arabs from Gaza.

References

http://www.azure.org.il/download/magazine/1234az14_oren.pdf

http://research.haifa.ac.il/~eshkol/peace.html

http://prrn.mcgill.ca/research/papers/segev.pdf

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Yitzhak Rabin – in His Own Words


Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something.

(Plato)

In the 63 years since its Independence, Israel has had 12 different Prime Ministers. Four of them, including the present incumbent, served 2 terms. History will judge success or failure according to their actions. But there is another way in which we can remember them. Their words of wit or wisdom.  Were they so memorable as to be ingrained forever in the minds of men?  (Just an expression – women included, of course)

To view selected quotations from all 12 Prime Ministers click on this link:

http://andyboy1.com/2011/11/17/the-12-prime-ministers-of-israel-their-wit-and-wisdom/

Here is one example to whet your appetite

Yitzhak Rabin ( 1974-1977 and 1992 -1995)

English: A handshake between Hussein I of Jord...

Giving peace a chance - or placing hope above reality?

The first Prime Minister from a military background, and the first to have been born in Israel. Of course his other “first” was to become the only one who was assassinated while in office. Arguments about his legacy have become more strident over the years. If anything, his reputation has become tarnished with the passage of time. History is a cruel judge. His belief that peace could be achieved with the Arabs has not been fulfilled. His words often seem to place hope above reality.

Selected quotations.

” (They) can spin around like propellors. (1)

” I want to remind you; we committed ourselves….before the Knesset …not to uproot a single settlement….and not to hinder building for natural growth.”

” Enough of blood and tears. Enough.”

” Jerusalem is united, will never be divided again.”

” We do not celebrate the death of our enemies.”

‘” In the midst of fighting there is no place for public debate.”

” Israel has an important principle; it is only Israel that is responsible for our security.”

” No Arab ruler will consider the peace process seriously, so long as he is able to toy with the idea of achieving more by the way of violence.”

” There is no way of finding the middle ground…Our most sensible policy is to stall.”

” We did not think that Nasser wanted war. “

” The world is no longer against us.”

But the world is fickle, and conditions its support for Israel on a set of unrealistic and naïve criteria.

I think that Rabin was wrong more often than he was right. Is it permitted to express such a viewpoint?

I sometimes wonder.

Andyboy – Telling it as it is!

Reference

(1) Rabin was referring  to the protesters demonstrating against the Oslo accords. he did not hold them in high regard!

Sources

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Yitzhak_Rabin

http://www.inspirationalstories.com/quotes/t/yitzhak-rabin/

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Ehud Olmert – in His Own Words


Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something.

(Plato)

In the 63 years since its Independence, Israel has had 12 different Prime Ministers. Four of them, including the present incumbent, served 2 terms. History will judge success or failure according to their actions. But there is another way in which they will be remembered. Their words of wit or wisdom.  Were they so memorable as to be ingrained forever in the minds of men?  (Just an expression – women included, of course)

To view selected quotations from all 12 Prime Ministers click on this link:

http://andyboy1.com/2011/11/17/the-12-prime-ministers-of-israel-their-wit-and-wisdom/

Here is one example to whet your appetite.

Ehud Olmert (2006-2009)

Prime Minister of Israel Ehud Olmert

Ehud Olmert - in happier days

Became Prime Minister by default following Sharon’s stroke and was never really popular; viewed as too much of a hedonist. Got embroiled in a number of financial scandals which are currently making their way through the courts. Credited with making the most generous offer to the Palestinians ever.

Which, of course, they rejected!

It could be that he was underrated, given that many of the following quotes could have been said in the past weeks, rather than 3 or 4 years ago.

Either that, or we have to face up to the fact that nothing much changes here. One of my favourite quotes of Yitzhak Shamir has also stood the test of time:

” The Arabs are the same Arabs, and the sea is the same sea. 

Checkout Olmert’s quotes for confirmation

” The behaviour of the settlers cannot be tolerated. Today they crossed every line.”

” We are not going to transfer funds which could finance terrorist attacks against our civilians.”

” The President of Iran… is a heinous anti-Semitic phenomenon. We must prevent Iran from reaching a technical know-how…and the international community has the tools to deal with this.”

” We support the establishment of a modern, democratic Palestinian state.”

” Simply don’t trust the Palestinians.”

” I want you to be ready to take my place, Ariel Sharon told me.”

” Bibi wants to destroy everything for his own personal interests.”

Bibi Netanyahu has set himself up as the head of the extreme right wing.”

” We can never totally return to the pre-1967 borders.”

” There can be no progress with an administration in which there are terrorist organisations as members.”

“The Oslo agreement had its weaknesses, but it was also justified……it forced the conclusion that Israel must return to its correct borders.”

” We will not negotiate with a government that does not keep its most basic commitment fighting terror.”

” We cannot continue to control areas of the territories in which most Palestinians live.”

For someone who did not appear to have a high opinion of Bibi, many of his expressed views were remarkably similar.

Maybe they just come with the post of being the Prime Minister of Israel. Or perhaps it’s as his mentor, Ariel Sharon, famously said:

” Things you see from here, you don’t see from there.”

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Sources

http://www.famousquotes.com/author/ehud-olmert/3

http://www.quotesea.com/quotes/by/ehud-olmert/2

http://thinkexist.com/quotes/ehud_olmert/3.html